Theo Fox: John Doe A summary of Kyle Beach's emotional yet courageous interview and related comments.

Plus, a summary of the Blackhawks OT loss to the Maple Leafs extending their losing streak to 7 games (0-5-2).

As a habs fan... I feel your pain. On the flip side, I think that the Hawks will pick it up. If they can stay out of the papers for a bit they will probably be back in the race by January.

Team is too talented to be where they are.

If this team can somehow just focus on playing hockey and keep the outside noise to a minimum which that in itself will be a difficult task considering what has happened the last 48 hours and potentially this entire season. This team can be pretty good... Playoff good ? who knows.... On paper they have talent but that is why they play the games. Unfortunately this is far from being over I can expect the fall out to trickle down and have negative impacts just like it did here in Chicago to other Cities especially for those who had knowledge of the situation and turned a blind eye and deaf ear to it as they should also be held accountable as well. Watching Kyle Beach talk about what happed was just heartbreaking.

What is the definition of a tarnished Cup.

I personally doubt the support of the ORGANIZATION and or the public disclosure during the skate for the Cup, would have derailed their ultimate capture of The Holy Grail

I am no expert. I have no legal training

But I know that K Beech career never got untracked because he had poor balance on his skates.and lost board battles. His riding shotgun for Toews and Kane never materialized because he was another Tallon failed first round pick.....Wiz has reported on that balance issue over the years....so I think of Beech as I do Jack Skille namesake which is an oxymoron. Neither player turned out as good as the lofty expectation of a first round selection

Now as for a settlement between Beech and The Blackhawks.....I do hope he gets a big chunk of money. He lived a private hell over that abuse although to be clear I do not believe it had anything to do with not making the NHL grade

I even recall seeing him joking around in the concourse type area in Bensrnville's practice rink and at ease with fans and some lady friends after an exhibition tilt. Kyle towered over his dad, a muscular but not as tall as his son. I recall too seeing him pummel Olimb. So I definitely believe the account of his punching Aldrich.

What I do not know, is what if any punishment could be bestowed upon Aldrich after eleven years have passed

Well at least Donald Fehr said sorry

Bad look for Toews. No one wants to hear your defenses of Bowman and Macissac no:

Team is too talented to be where they are.
- hockeyaddict89

Which race? The race for the #1 overall draft pick? I would agree.

Time to let the old team go and bring in the new. Toews and Kane time to go.
The locker room needs a new look or be shadowed by this news for a long time.

They looked a little better last night, but Lank played a great game. The middle is still way too soft. There was a play last night where Spezza got the puck in the corner, and he took steps towards the net. You could tell he was expecting to get hit, but no one on the Hawks moved towards him. It was really weird.

I saw that Kalynuk and Caleb Jones are skating. They can't come back soon enough to put Gus in the press box where he belongs.

I was about 90% certain who John Doe was. I think a big factor of him falling into the situation was how desperate he was to make the team. So, when people asked how a big, tough guy can get into that type of trouble, emotions really can make you physically weak and vulnerable. Predators groom their victims.

Really interested to see what comes out of the meeting between Q and Bettman.

What is the definition of a tarnished Cup.

I personally doubt the support of the ORGANIZATION and or the public disclosure during the skate for the Cup, would have derailed their ultimate capture of The Holy Grail

I am no expert. I have no legal training

But I know that K Beech career never got untracked because he had poor balance on his skates.and lost board battles. His riding shotgun for Toews and Kane never materialized because he was another Tallon failed first round pick.....Wiz has reported on that balance issue over the years....so I think of Beech as I do Jack Skille namesake which is an oxymoron. Neither player turned out as good as the lofty expectation of a first round selection

Now as for a settlement between Beech and The Blackhawks.....I do hope he gets a big chunk of money. He lived a private hell over that abuse although to be clear I do not believe it had anything to do with not making the NHL grade

I even recall seeing him joking around in the concourse type area in Bensrnville's practice rink and at ease with fans and some lady friends after an exhibition tilt. Kyle towered over his dad, a muscular but not as tall as his son. I recall too seeing him pummel Olimb. So I definitely believe the account of his punching Aldrich.

What I do not know, is what if any punishment could be bestowed upon Aldrich after eleven years have passed
- jhawk59

Idk J. I don't really see or follow the prospects as you and some others do. That's a lot for a young adult to deal with so to me it's also reasonable to think that it very realistically could have impacted his ability to develop properly as a professional hockey player.

I think what is happening with this situation is "moral" vs. "legal" response. Organizations put in place a chain of command for situations like this.
Was the procedure followed? At what point was the information withheld? Who failed to bring this issue to the next level? We can't confuse the moral with the legal. Those who say Toews is wrong don't understand. It's not Toews issue to fix, legally. I am not here to judge people's moral character, because I would be guilty also. What needs to be looked at is this, where did this chain of command end, and my guess it is McD. Now, on the other side, if the NHLPA was known about this and there was nothing done, there needs to be an investigation to see where that chain of command ended. Also the NHL itself, if they knew, why didn't they take action, I am sure they have a policy in place for this situation.

As for the game, I am disappointed they could not hold the lead, but I see a pattern happening. Early PP chances, then late in the game too much PK play. Can you say "even-up"?

I was at the game and had a pretty good center ice view in 302. Even with all the turmoil, nothing beats being at the UC.

Jones looked pretty good with the puck. A few nice rushes. It's like having another forward out there at times and he's a smooth player.

Even though he got an unwarranted make-up call penalty against him, I liked when McCabe stuck up for Dach in the scrum in the second half of the game.

Lankinen played well. He made some key saves.

We could have won the game if we capitalized on a few chances. The Cat hit the post, we hit the post on one of the power plays in the second half of the game too.

Even if they are in a slump, we were competitive against a highly-skilled but top heavy Leafs team.

Hot dogs are 7.50 now. Sheesh. They were 6.75 I think even last time I went in those two March 2021 games.

I think what is happening with this situation is "moral" vs. "legal" response. Organizations put in place a chain of command for situations like this.
Was the procedure followed? At what point was the information withheld? Who failed to bring this issue to the next level? We can't confuse the moral with the legal. Those who say Toews is wrong don't understand. It's not Toews issue to fix, legally. I am not here to judge people's moral character, because I would be guilty also. What needs to be looked at is this, where did this chain of command end, and my guess it is McD. Now, on the other side, if the NHLPA was known about this and there was nothing done, there needs to be an investigation to see where that chain of command ended. Also the NHL itself, if they knew, why didn't they take action, I am sure they have a policy in place for this situation.

As for the game, I am disappointed they could not hold the lead, but I see a pattern happening. Early PP chances, then late in the game too much PK play. Can you say "even-up"?
- powerenforcer

While Toews could have showed more empathy for Beech I don't disagree with what you're saying.

This was from the Herald yesterday before Beech's interview and was an excerpt from the findings...

• McDonough did nothing to address the allegations until June 14, after the playoffs ended. He then reported the information to the head of human resources. The other senior leaders did nothing.

"As a result," Schar said, "the Blackhawks own sexual harassment policy -- which required investigation of all reports of sexual harassment to be conducted promptly and thoroughly -- was violated."

The majority of the blame lies on management from the time. But how all Keith, Kane , and Toews all answered the bell today is grossly disappointing. All 3 guys had 3 different stories. 1 guy claimed to have never known anything about it and never heard a derogatory term said in the room, at rink or in the arena. 2nd guy says he didn't hear anything about it until the next preseason. 3rd guy says he heard about it but didn't realize it was Kyle Beach until today? Then you have 3 other guys who were on the team that season all saying EVERYONE knew about it. Something isn't adding up.

I was at the game and had a pretty good center ice view in 302. Even with all the turmoil, nothing beats being at the UC.

Jones looked pretty good with the puck. A few nice rushes. It's like having another forward out there at times and he's a smooth player.

Even though he got an unwarranted make-up call penalty against him, I liked when McCabe stuck up for Dach in the scrum in the second half of the game.

Lankinen played well. He made some key saves.

We could have won the game if we capitalized on a few chances. The Cat hit the post, we hit the post on one of the power plays in the second half of the game too.

Even if they are in a slump, we were competitive against a highly-skilled but top heavy Leafs team.

Hot dogs are 7.50 now. Sheesh. They were 6.75 I think even last time I went in those two March 2021 games.
- Popsghostly

Probably not even Vienna.

The Hawk management was in the wrong. 100%. No question.

Who was Beach’s agent? What did he know? What did he do? Not that it effects the big picture now, but it seems like at some point someone would say to him/them “Where were you during all of this?”

Same question for his parents?

Also strange that Beach played for Rockford 4 more seasons after this.

Again it does not effect the big picture now. But 11 years after the fact these type of horrible incidences raise a lot of peripheral questions, perhaps inconsequential, but still interesting to the curious.

Regime change and time are necessary for this to fade away. But Hawk management, the NHLPA, the NHL, player agents, and players will make positive and necessary changes going forward.

The majority of the blame lies on management from the time. But how all Keith, Kane , and Toews all answered the bell today is grossly disappointing. All 3 guys had 3 different stories. 1 guy claimed to have never known anything about it and never heard a derogatory term said in the room, at rink or in the arena. 2nd guy says he didn't hear anything about it until the next preseason. 3rd guy says he heard about it but didn't realize it was Kyle Beach until today? Then you have 3 other guys who were on the team that season all saying EVERYONE knew about it. Something isn't adding up.
- wreckage

I think if I asked my teammates about something that happened 11 years ago we might all remember the details differently. Also some may have been more directly informed or involved than others. This did not happen in a vacuum.

I think if I asked my teammates about something that happened 11 years ago we might all remember the details differently. Also some may have been more directly informed or involved than others. This did not happen in a vacuum.
- Ztra

Exactly -

I thought that Jenner putting an explanation of how memories can change over time and the various biases that can affect memories in the preface to the report, was good background for a scenario like this.

While Toews could have showed more empathy for Beech I don't disagree with what you're saying.

This was from the Herald yesterday before Beech's interview and was an excerpt from the findings...

• McDonough did nothing to address the allegations until June 14, after the playoffs ended. He then reported the information to the head of human resources. The other senior leaders did nothing.

"As a result," Schar said, "the Blackhawks own sexual harassment policy -- which required investigation of all reports of sexual harassment to be conducted promptly and thoroughly -- was violated."
- HawkintheD

No doubt about that. Question is....who actually violated the company policy? Did the policy say that everyone in the reporting chain had a duty to ensure McD was doing his job? If not, should employees lose their jobs anyway? Further, should they be painted with the same brush as those who actively injured Beach, such as McD and Gary (and of course, Aldrich)?

Exactly -

After this much time has passed, especially considering this occurred in what was likely a very chaotic, but singularly-focused environment with the first trip to the SC Final, everyone's recollection is going to be fuzzy. Except one: the person to whom this happened is going to remember the minutest details of the assault and what is done/said in the aftermath, even if they can't remember the exact date of the attack, etc.

I thought that Jenner putting an explanation of how memories can change over time and the various biases that can affect memories in the preface to the report, was good background for a scenario like this.
- pdx2ord

This is not always true about traumatic events that lead to PTSD.

This is not always true about traumatic events that lead to PTSD.
- mohel

You're right - it's only sometimes that happens for the person who experienced the trauma, I'm deleting that paragraph

No doubt about that. Question is....who actually violated the company policy? Did the policy say that everyone in the reporting chain had a duty to ensure McD was doing his job? If not, should employees lose their jobs anyway? Further, should they be painted with the same brush as those who actively injured Beach, such as McD and Gary (and of course, Aldrich)?
- mohel

I think there was enough cover in the report for Bowman and/or MacIsaac to survive this had the Wirtz family desired that outcome. They could have released the report late on a Friday afternoon and crucified the (somewhat) recently dismissed McD for his handling of the matter in the press. I suspect that if the team was 5-0-1 with the recent acquisitions looking strong we may be having a different conversation. Easier to do the right thing and clean house when the on ice product sucks...

The person we really need to hear from, is John McEgo. We all know that will never happen. He is to much of a coward to ever put himself out in front of the media.

Patrick Kane is no longer listed on the Roster section of the Blackhawks web page.

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The person we really need to hear from, is John McEgo. We all know that will never happen. He is to much of a coward to ever put himself out in front of the media.
- TJYTJY

It doesn't matter anymore, all that matters now is its out in the open and even the suppressors can begin the healing. This was a terrible thing that happened and i give a ton of credit for them sharing the report with the public, that couldn't of been an easy thing to do either, but i believe in the saying, the truth will set you free, so i hope there's a lot of healing for everyone involved, and Aldrich never works around influential young men ever again.